239: How a Brain Tumor Helped Create His Mid-Career GPS with Kevin Lowe

Have you ever named a challenge you faced, and then threw it a farewell party? That's exactly what Kevin Lowe did with "Bob" the brain tumor, before his life took a turn into darkness. My guest this week, Kevin Lowe, is a beacon of determination and humor, sharing his extraordinary journey from the brink of losing everything to finding a renewed purpose as a life coach and inspirational podcast host.

The spellbinding tale Kevin unfolds is more than just a story of struggle; it's a masterclass in resilience. From navigating the complexities of brain surgery at seventeen to learning to walk, read, and integrate into society without sight, Kevin's insights on faith, family, and the inner strength that emerges from life's trials will leave you captivated. His walkthrough of crossing the graduation stage is not just an achievement but a testament to the power of love and belief in one's self.

Peek into Kevin's world as he shares the magic of echolocation and the life lessons he's picked up along the way. Kevin's unique perspective on personal growth and career development is a treasure trove for anyone at a crossroads seeking direction. So, buckle up for an episode that promises to leave you laughing, possibly crying, and definitely inspired to tap into the grit and grace within. Join us as we uncover how Kevin Lowe turned a profound loss into a guiding light for others.

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Transcript

John Neral: 0:00

We know that life doesn't always go as planned, but what if it really doesn't go as planned? Imagine being 17 years old and learning that your life has been completely turned upside down. One day, you're flipping through the pages of your favorite magazine and a few weeks later you're blind. Today you are going to meet Kevin Lowe. Kevin shares his powerful and moving journey and shares why building his mid-career GPS involved putting in the reps. Every single day Of all my episodes, I assure you that my conversation with Kevin Lowe stands out because it takes a very different approach to building your mid-career GPS and it is one you will not want to miss.

John Neral: 0:50

Let's get started. Hello, my friends, this is the Mid-Career GPS Podcast and I'm your John Neral. I help mid-career professionals like you find a job they love, or love the job they have, using my proven four-step formula. Before we get into today's episode, I want to personally invite you to join my free email newsletter community. Free email newsletter community. It's a twice-weekly newsletter designed to help you build your mid-career GPS, whether you're looking for a new job, want to build your networking strategy or grow your executive and leadership presence. You can join for free by visiting my website at https://johnneral. com, check the show notes or the featured section of my LinkedIn, and I'd love to have you a part of this vibrant and engaged email community.

John Neral: 1:49

I met Kevin Lowe through a podcast directory and I reached out to him to be a guest on his show. But after talking with him and learning more about him and his story, I knew I had to have him as a guest on mine. Kevin Lowe is an entrepreneur who has taken the world by storm, despite the seemingly insurmountable challenge of losing his eyesight in 2003,. Kevin's risen to success as a purpose-driven life coach and the engaging host of the popular podcast Grit, grace and Inspiration. I'm gonna let him tell you his remarkable story, but for now, it is my pleasure to introduce you to Kevin Lowe. Hey there, kevin. Welcome to the Mid-Career GPS Podcast. I am honored to have you with us today.

Kevin Lowe: 2:39

Oh, absolutely Thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me.

John Neral: 2:43

Absolutely Thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me, kevin. You've got a story that I have just very briefly shared in the introduction to this episode, and I did that very intentionally because I want you to share it with us. Would you kindly tell us your story, please?

Kevin Lowe: 2:59

Yeah, absolutely, I would be glad to. So my story really kicks off about 20 years ago. So let's rewind back to 2003. I just started my junior year of high school at Seabreeze High School, and life was going awesome. I mean, when I turned 16 the year before, I got literally my dream truck. It was a 96 Ford F-150 4x4 with big, huge mud tires, dual flowmaster exhaust, all the stuff that a 16-year-old boy loves, and so I had my truck. That was my baby Junior year of high school.

Kevin Lowe: 3:43

Things are finally really kind of going good, for really for the first time in my life, I finally found that solid group of friends who I actually enjoyed doing stuff with, like outside of school, and things were going great. And I always say, you know, it's kind of like the movie. When everything's just going perfect, you're like, okay, okay, what's about to happen? And um, for me that was exactly the case, as I always say it was good until it wasn't. And um, at the same time, though that I say that everything was going good, I did have some health issues. Um, we didn't even know that they were, say, quote, unquote an issue. They were just some concerns that especially my mom and my grandmother had, and such issues were the fact that I'm 17 years old, I'm not growing, you know, I was only like five foot three. My pediatrician, he just kept saying oh, he's a late bloomer, don't worry about it. At the same time, I'm having migraine headaches literally almost every day of my life. Um, and so I had these different things. And and finally, um, thank goodness to a persistent mom and grandmother, um, we ended up getting me to a new family doctor and he took one look at my chart and he pulled my mom out in the hallway and he said listen, he said something's not right and he's like I need you to get an appointment immediately with a endocrinologist over in Orlando, florida, which is about an hour away from our home. And so we did just that, went into the endocrinologist's office and there in his office, he told me he said well, he said it's pretty much plain and simple. He said I expect you have a brain tumor. Now, that was something I never dreamed I would hear. Never, never in a million years. And yet he was pretty much sure of it. Well, it was a million years, and yet he was pretty much sure of it.

Kevin Lowe: 5:47

Well, it was a Friday evening. I was with my stepdad and stepbrother. We had already gotten down to our boat that we had docked at a place called Caribbean Jacks there on the intercoastal waterway and we were getting ready to take one of my favorite weekend trips up to St Augustine, florida, and my mom is on her way to meet us when she gets a call from the doctor. In the in-between time I had had an MRI and the pediatric neurosurgeon was calling to talk with my mom.

Kevin Lowe: 6:23

Of course he said the words that scare you to death is are you driving? Yes, would you please pull over? So my mom pulls over and he proceeds to tell her that it was worse than he imagined. He let her know that, yes, I had a brain tumor. It was large they compared it to the size of a plum basically positioned right in the center of my head. So if you basically went like right between your eyes and went straight back, that was the tumor. It was in the crosshairs of my optic nerve. It had completely encased my pituitary gland and had begun pressing against my carotid artery, and so they gave me six months to live at most if this thing was not removed.

John Neral: 7:21

Okay, Kevin, let me stop you here for a second because I got some questions, of course.

Kevin Lowe: 7:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you ask, Ask away, okay.

John Neral: 7:31

So what's the thought that goes through your mind when you hear? You hear you've got this plum-sized brain tumor and life no longer is what you expected it to be?

Kevin Lowe: 7:52

What's that thought like? So I'll tell you the scenario. Okay, we were already up in St Augustine. My mom chose not to tell me until we got up there we're docked. If you've ever been to St Augustine, florida, there's an infamous Bridge of Lions. Well, we're at a marina right at the base of the Bridge of Lions, gorgeous part of St Augustine. I'm down in the cabin of our boat and my mom comes down. I'm flipping through a dirt bike magazine and she sits down and she tells me what happened.

Kevin Lowe: 8:28

At that point my memory kind of blacks out. All I know is I got out of the boat as fast as I could and I ran down the dock as fast as I could, went all the way up the stairs to the top of the marina. And then I just can remember like a you know, it's almost like snapshots. And I then remember resting my arms on the railing looking out over the marina, just totally lost. I don't know that I was upset, scared, but just literally in shock. Is is how I would explain it. And um, you know, and at that point we, we knew, we knew nothing, we knew nothing. But to hear that you have a brain tumor is so scary, you know cause? Cause, I mean, you think it's going to be nothing. You know you think the problem is going to be nothing. It's going to be a simple fix, not something like this. And yeah, it was.

John Neral: 9:39

Then what? Then? What happens is you probably do what a lot of people do, which is all right. Let's get this thing out of me. Let's, let's see what gets what happens here. Walk us through that for us, please.

Kevin Lowe: 10:02

Yes absolutely so things moved really quick from there. I remember we met with the leading pediatric nurse in the country, again over in Orlando, florida, and he met with us, went over everything went over the surgery went over all the potential risks of the surgery went over the surgery went all over all the potential risks of the surgery, and, um, and he then booked us. I think it was two weeks later I was scheduled for surgery. Um, he actually had an opening that afternoon, um, but I said no, my mom wanted me to, because my mom was scared. Um, but I was like no, no, no, no, I'm like I let me wait. And the doctor assured my mom he's like, listen, he said two weeks, it's not going to matter.

Kevin Lowe: 10:57

So I am 17 years old, I hated school, even though I had a cool group of friends. So what that meant was Kev, you're going to be out of school. For they told me I'd be out of school for about three to four weeks. So what that meant was let's go to the guidance counselor, let's drop trigonometry, and, and, and, uh. So that was a great feeling to get to walk into trigonometry and give the little pass that hey, I'm leaving this class. And um and um, and then you know, basically it was, you know, telling all my buddies you know, see you later, suckers, I'm out of here for a while. And, um, I did something kind of funny. Um, I named my tumor, I named my tumor Bob, bob the tumor, um, and we, literally my entire family, we had a going away Bob party because this was a speed bump. This was finally an answer to all these issues that I'd been having my entire life. We finally found the problem and we got the best doctor to go in there and remove it and get me back onto life.

Kevin Lowe: 12:07

Surgery was set for October 28th 2003,. Roughly a month after my 17th birthday. I went into the operating room. I checked in the day before. I had an entire day of pre-op getting ready for the surgery. Night before surgery, um, my entire family was at the hospital I mean everybody and everybody was piled into my room and, um, I can remember my, my sister and my aunt. They went to Outback and got takeout for everybody, cause that's what I wanted. Went to Outback and got takeout for everybody because that's what I wanted. And I can remember sitting in my hospital bed eating my Outback steak. We had the laptop open with the DVD playing of one of my favorite movies, which was Too Fast, too Furious. It was a whole family there together and that's an important part of my story is the family. I said goodnight to everybody. My mom stayed there with me.

Kevin Lowe: 13:11

Next morning doctor came in geared up, ready to go Apparently. I cracked the joke about you know, I hope you had your Wheaties this morning. And the last thing I remember was rolling into the operating room. I can remember saying goodbye to my mom and dad who had went with me and I never knew. I never knew that would be the last time I'd ever see their faces. And I say now that if I had known then what I know now, I don't know that I could have ever stopped staring. Because when I went into the operating room nothing went right. The surgery was a success. The brain tumor was removed, the doctor came out and it was a long surgery. He came out let my family know he's like listen. He said surgery went great. He said everything went perfect.

Kevin Lowe: 14:11

A day or so later I'm in the ICU. Everything's going wrong, they said. All my endocrine levels are just going haywire. And finally I start to kind of wake up enough. And um, the one nurse. It happened to be my the.

Kevin Lowe: 14:32

The head nurse and my mom were in the room at this particular time and the head nurse told me to to look at the little pole socks thing that they put on your toe. Well, apparently I kept ripping it off and so he was like he's like Kevin. He's like do you see this, pointing to the little pole socks thing, and I guess it had a red light on it. He's like Kevin, do you see this red light? And my mom said that I said no, no, I don't see anything, it's just black. And at that moment he walked over and he turned the light switch on and off, on and off. He's like kevin, do you see this light? And my mom said again I just said no, no, it's just black.

Kevin Lowe: 15:15

It was at that moment that my family realized everything changed.

Kevin Lowe: 15:21

So I was left completely blind.

Kevin Lowe: 15:25

No light, perception, shape, shadows, nothing. I lost my ability to smell. I would end up having short-term memory loss for six months. I had all these new medical complications as a result of the brain tumor killing off my pituitary gland. So not only did I get to start taking medications to actually start growing and stuff, which was pretty cool, but it was a whole new onslaught of things. It was a whole new onslaught of things. Weirdly enough for me is my memory ends at the time where I told you I went into the operating room. My memory doesn't pick up until a long time later being back at home. I remained in the hospital for, I think, about two weeks, so surgery was October 28th. I came home November 13th and I returned to a home with my brand new four-wheeler in the garage, my truck in the driveway, my bedroom with I was big into hunting and all of that had my shotgun on the wall. An entire world that I had no idea, that revolved around me being able to see, and in an instant it was all taken from me.

John Neral: 16:50

Kevin, when you went in for surgery, how much were you prepped that losing your vision was a possibility?

Kevin Lowe: 16:59

How much were you prepped that losing your vision was a possibility. During that appointment, when he went through the whole list and he started with, you know, the most likely, all the way down to the least, losing your eyesight was the last one, one percent.

John Neral: 17:16

Wow, it wasn't even a consideration and your life changes on a dime. Yeah Right, you know, you said earlier too, like everything was fine until it wasn't. Yeah, and so you come home. How do you start building the pieces back together? What happens then when the world that you've known and you've been able to see is now different and black? You just can't see it.

Kevin Lowe: 17:55

Yeah, Two things, two things, and I'm only where I am today because of these two things. That is, my faith in my family. Um, I was lucky enough to have a relationship with my creator before this happened, and after it happened it only grew stronger. My mom always tells the story that after we were back home, she asked me one morning. She said, kevin, when you go to bed at night, I always hear you talking. She said who are you talking to? And she said that. I said, oh, I talked to Jesus. He's always with me. My faith is a huge part. And then my family, especially my mother, my father, my sister, my grandparents, especially my nana. Those they're how I did it. I leaned on them and we began going through the motions.

Kevin Lowe: 19:13

Um, we would enroll me in a program called Hospital Homebound, um, where I had teachers who came to my house, which my mom would have to go to work, so she would drop me off over at my, my Nana's house each morning and I would stay with Nana all day. And I had these three different teachers who started coming. I had one who was teaching me how to get around with a cane. I had another one there to try and teach me how to read braille, and then another one there who's actually teaching me my school subjects. Um, now, thank goodness, I was pretty much set, um, as far as school went, like I had already passed all the big standardized tests that would have been required for graduation, so so I was doing good, which I mean thank goodness, because, like you said, I had short. So so, so the teacher, all those teachers, would leave, and I'd ask my nana oh so, so when is miss scott coming over? And she's like well, I can tell that all just sunk in, real well you know.

John Neral: 20:11

So you mean. So you mean to tell me that you get out of trigonometry and you still get your diploma.

Kevin Lowe: 20:18

Exactly, and that that is the big, that is the big step that, um, I'll tell you that I didn't realize it's significant until a super long time later, is I for some reason, from the very beginning? My family would tell you that from the very beginning I kept saying my goal. I said I still want to graduate with my class, I just want to graduate with my class. My mom, my grandmother, they never thought that would happen, but sure enough, it did. I got back to school for the start of my senior year and I just took one class a day there. We had a block schedule so there were only like four classes a day. So I was there for the first block each morning. I got to quote unquote be part of my senior year.

Kevin Lowe: 21:17

It was pretty hard, hard to be honest. Um, it was hard to to be around everybody. Um, everybody, you know, everybody was kids. People didn't come up and talk to me because they didn't know how to talk to me, afraid they're going to say the wrong thing. Um and so, but I did it. Um and so, but I did it. And I, I walked across the stage of my high school graduation. I did it, I did it and it wasn't until a long time later, as I said, when I realized then that it was at that moment that god led me across that stage, because he wanted to show me right off the bat that, kevin, even in this life, you are still able to do great things to another point that I want you to share, because we we often see um when well now see, I'm going to catch myself here because I use that verb C, and that's.

John Neral: 22:33

We talked about this leading up to and I'm just going to leave this in because I just want the listeners to know. Kevin and I had a conversation beforehand about, like, what's appropriate, what's not appropriate, kind of a thing. Um, because he is blind, right? Um, but you know, when we, when we look at social media, are we, we watch documentaries and we hear these stories from people who are resilient and they overcome things and we get this kind of inspiration and motivation from them. And here you are with us today and you've got the mic. What is it that you learn about yourself that helps you and you've shared, about your faith and your family? But what is it and maybe it's them too, right, because you're going to answer this what is it about your resilience, your strength, your motivation, that 20 years later, you are telling your story, you have a coaching practice, you have a successful podcast, you have a career, you are navigating this world? What was it about yourself you needed to learn that got you where you are today?

Kevin Lowe: 23:58

I put in the reps Every morning. Every morning I woke up with a smile on my face. Now, I went to bed that night before crying as I prayed, and I begged God to let me wake up the next morning and see. That was how every night went. Every night I fell asleep, sobbing into my pillow, and every morning I'd wake up and I'd open my eyes and I'd see the same thing as I did when they were closed. And yet I got out of bed. I kept moving forward. I made it easy for my family. I made it easy for my family. I had them laughing. I kept moving forward because of the type of personality that I was blessed with. I understand that some people's personalities would make it harder. I was blessed with a personality to keep moving forward and that's what I did. No-transcript.

John Neral: 25:13

In your coaching practice, who typically are the people you help move forward.

Kevin Lowe: 25:22

Yeah, so it's people ironically, not just people who have become blind or disabled, but it's people who are at a point in their life where they feel stuck, the person who has been living a life that maybe looks good from the outside, but on the inside, at night, they're screaming to get out of it. They don't know how, they don't know what. And that's where I get to step in and I help them, because I'll tell you one of the toughest things about this new life of becoming blind, not being able to drive, not having the freedom to move, there's times when I feel stuck, and I know what a horrible place that is and I know how absolutely awful it feels to be stuck. And if I can help somebody else to not feel stuck, especially in just their life in general, but instead to show them that there is a way out, that's the person that I help.

John Neral: 26:27

Nice. What was it that made you decide that coaching was the right career path for you?

Kevin Lowe: 26:40

coaching was the right career path for you. It was through the podcast. Um, when I started the podcast, I was coming off of seven years, um, owning my own travel agency. Um, the, the pandemic did a good job at at, uh, sending that into the, uh, the shallow end of the swimming pool, and so I started my podcast May of 2020.

Kevin Lowe: 27:02

And at that point, I still thought I was going to be a travel agent, so I kind of relied on a lot of travel-related topics and then started kind of talking about my story and then, honestly, it was a rather quick evolution of the podcast and I started having these conversations with people and I kept having people mention to me after our interviews. They're like you know, you should really, you know, start coaching, and I'm like I don't even understand what you're talking about. What do you mean coaching? At that time, I'd only heard of a pe coach and, to be quite honest, I hated my PE coaches and so, um, so now they're telling me to be coached. So, anyways, though, that's that's how it began um was having these people, these strangers from all over the world who I just got to sit down for an hour and unpack their story, and them telling me that I saw things about their story that no one else has ever seen before, and it was through that that led me on this journey to get into coaching.

John Neral: 28:09

Your podcast is called Grit, Grace and inspiration, and I want to invite all of my listeners to check that out as well, because those three words, I think, are a great summary for what you've just shared with us today. So thank you, oh thank you so much yeah. So I'm going to ask you a question. I didn't ask you in any of the pre-conversations we have. So do you or have you ever had a seeing eye dog?

Kevin Lowe: 28:42

no, I have it, and everybody thinks that kevin should get one and kevin's like. I don't want a seeing eye dog, no, but I learned how to see with echolocation okay 2017, which I think is way better than a seeing eye dog.

John Neral: 28:58

And what is that?

Kevin Lowe: 29:00

So it is the craziest thing that I never knew was possible until 14 years. After becoming blind I got to train with a guy one-on-one in California to retrain my brain's visual cortex to see through sound. So literally I now can use maybe the snap of my finger, or more specifically, I typically do a tongue click, so like my tongue gets through from my mouth, make a sharp little click that bounces off of the objects in front of me which come back is echolocation. My brain's visual cortex has learned to now develop that sound into images, just like a bat or dolphin would do, got it extraordinary and so yeah, I say that's way better and I'll just keep my little 15 pound Sophia.

John Neral: 29:56

Well, here's why I ask you that. So I had worked for an organization and picture like the kind of corporate office building type thing, and we had a gentleman on our floor who had a seeing eye dog and every day he would come into the office, the dog would, he'd let the dog off the harness, right, and so the dog would kind of like wander the hallways and say hi to everybody to let everybody know that he was there, type thing. And I would say, probably about a year or so after he had worked there, kevin, and keep in mind like we're working on trying to change the culture of the team and the organization and everything. And so just for my listeners, because in the context of this I'm going to use a not kid-friendly word, so if you need to put headphones in or turn it off and pause it or whatever, but I'm going to use the words. So here we go.

John Neral: 30:55

A teammate of mine comes up to me and she says, john, we got a problem. And I said, okay, what? And she goes. I think Oliver took a shit by the elevator. And I said, just so we're clear, do you know what shit looks like? And she went yeah, I go. Okay, then we don't think we know right. She says, yeah, what, what do we do? And I said, well, we will get maintenance to come and clean it up in the carpet and all those kind of things and stuff like that. I said, but in the meantime I will take care of this.

John Neral: 31:43

So I walked down to the hallway and everything and I happened to see my vice president sitting in her office and I knock on the door and I said, hey, can I talk to you for a moment? She goes yeah, I said you know how we're working really hard on changing the employee culture around here. She goes yeah, I said, and we're working really really hard at this right. She goes. Yeah, I said, oliver just took a shit by the elevator. I think we're failing worse than we ever realized. She goes, goes.

Kevin Lowe: 32:17

Okay, you need a lead oh, that's one of my favorite was favorite memories from that place and if any of my colleagues happen to be listening to it.

John Neral: 32:32

I know I got the dog's name wrong, but for the purpose of it we're going to call the dog Oliver, but I never forgot that. I thought, gosh, how bad can the culture be when the seeing-eye dog takes a dump outside of the?

Kevin Lowe: 32:44

elevator, poor thing.

John Neral: 32:46

Poor thing right, that is classic.

Kevin Lowe: 32:49

That is classic.

John Neral: 32:52

It's one of my favorite stories from working there. Yeah, yes. So, kevin, I want to thank you for opening your heart to us and sharing your story with us. Obviously, we could continue this conversation for far, much longer, but we are going to start wrapping up here. So, given everything that you know and you've experienced and you have lived, what advice would you give someone to help them build their mid-career GPS?

Kevin Lowe: 33:27

I think the biggest thing is for you to get clear on your purpose. You can think of it as your reason why, mid-career GPS, you've, you've already been living life. You've been doing the thing, um. If you think you're made for more, I promise you are Um, and I would encourage you to trust your gut, to listen to the voice inside your head in the middle of the night that says you're made for more Um, and, as I said, I believe you are made for more and I believe your life's purpose is is the North star to get you there.

John Neral: 34:11

What does your gut tell you in the middle of the night?

Kevin Lowe: 34:16

Oh man, where I'm at right now is is where I'm supposed to be. It tells me more, but I feel really good where I'm at right now and that's a good feeling.

John Neral: 34:32

I would say so. I would say so. You are doing phenomenal, incredible work and, kevin, I'm going to turn the mic over to you right now. I would love for you to share with us all the great places where people can find you, connect with you, and especially about your podcast.

Kevin Lowe: 34:47

So the mic's yours to invite anyone to please check out my podcast. That is where I hang out. I produce the episode twice a week, every week, and I have a super cool, easy way for you to start listening to it on your favorite podcast app, and that is by you simply texting my first name, kevin to 33777. My first name, kevin to 33777. So if you text Kevin to 33777, I'll get you a link that will send you right to your favorite podcast app. So I would love to invite you to check out Great Grace and Inspiration and, honestly, you know I'm on LinkedIn as Kevin Lowe Official. That kind of seems to be my social media place to hang out. Lately, I have a love-hate relationship with most social media, and so, yeah, I think the best place, though, is just come on over to the podcast. You'll hear about anything that I got going on and, yeah, I would love to have you.

John Neral: 35:56

Kevin, I will make sure all of that is in the show notes. Kevin Lowe, thank you for sharing your story and for being such a great guest on the Mid-Career GPS podcast. Thank, you.

John Neral: 36:11

All right, my friends, usually this is the point where I sum up a little bit and tell you all the great takeaways. Kind of hard to sum up an episode with all the great takeaways when everything in the episode were great takeaways. So I just want to leave you with this. We're all dealing with something. What you're dealing with is your circumstance and your circumstance you have a thought about. That thought creates a feeling. That feeling creates an action. That action creates a result.

John Neral: 36:45

What Kevin shared in his story today was that life was great until it wasn't. And as he walked us through just a little bit of the events of his life, I hope you will take some time to reflect on his thoughts that he shared with us and how he took those thoughts and he had feelings about them and turned them into action to get the results of where he is today and the people whom he helps and the people whom he helps. So until next time, my friends, remember this you will build your mid-career GPS one mile or one step at a time, and how you show up matters. Make it a great rest of your day.

John Neral: 37:33

Thank you for listening to the Mid-Career GPS Podcast. Make sure to follow on your favorite listening platform and, if you have a moment, I'd love to hear your comments on Apple Podcasts. Visit johnnerrellcom for more information about how I can help you build your mid-career GPS or how I can help you and your organization with your next workshop or public speaking event. Don't forget to connect with me on LinkedIn and follow me on social. At workshop or public speaking event. Don't forget to connect with me on LinkedIn and follow me on social at John Darrell Coaching. I look forward to being back with you next week. Until then, take care and remember how we show up matters. Thank you.